So, you're saying, get out of OUR echo chamber, and go back to yours- Then we can have our Daily Hate against Obama without you guys mucking it up with hope and positivity and attacks on McCain and attempts to get progressive Democrats elected.
Right?
I've read enough threads to notice that your comments are going to be absent any true discourse.
Please stop this already. MYDD has been a progressive democrat blog since I first joined four years ago. If you're scared of DailyKos, that's your own stupid fault. I like MYDD because it is a RANGE OF DEMOCRAT VOICES, and no some partisan fansite.
Deal with it.
Rec'd, and ready to roll.
Good on you for breaking the mould diarist!
And please, genuine Hillary supporters. I enjoy engage in constructive dialogue with you guys. Your passion and commitment will be needed whoever gets the nomination.
And as for the dozens of freepers, who daily out themselves as wanting nothing more than the destruction of the democrat party.
Keep on keeping on. You're so obvious it's laughable.
Brit--thanks for getting where I was coming from with this diary and for reccing.
I have yet to read a posting by a Hillary-hating Obama supporter that is intelligent. My complaints toward Obama have often been that in place of explaining what he plans to do, all of his so-called unique propositions for change, and so on, he horrendously attacks his opponents, pointing fingers at Bush, Clinton, and McCain, but never at himself. What would he do. Alas, too similarly, his supporters on this blog and elsewhere can only praise him by calling Hillary Clinton names, using profanity, lying about her record and character, brining in the race card willy nilly, and vowing that they would rather vote for McCain. How dreadful, how disgusting! Nobody, but nobody, least of all a former great First Lady, thoroughly effective NY Senator, and above all else a server of the people. Please, show some respect!
Neither Obama nor Hillary can win the general election, unless including the other as VP on the ticket. The nomination has become so competitive that it has brought out the worst in some of its supporters. You need only troll the blogs to see how Obama's supporters are quite relentlessly hateful in their attacks on Hillary; while Hillary's supporters have begun attacking Obama in kind. If the bad blood continues, a huge portion of Hillary's supporters will stay at home or turn GOP, once Obama is nominated. Likewise, with Obama's supporters. Neither candidate can hope to win without the democatic party being unified in Novemember. As for the best candidate, on paper, on experience, and on demonstrable solutions, Hillary beats both McCain and Obama.
Fair enough. Of course, Hillary is not my ideal candidate, just the best that's left. McCain has plenty of experience, to be sure, but has grown soft in the head with his senior moments. He seems stuck on snooze control and is in a desperate tapeloop on Iraq issues. Obama and Clinton are in agreement on 95% their policies, however different their surfaces seem to be. I choose her because she does get the job done, passes more legistation, introduces more bills, and is always working hard. I also trust her more, as she has been vetted over and over again by the most maligning of newscasters and GOP machines. Obama has lied way too may times.
to the last sentence and saying I support your vigor. I would add that I strongly believe in the Democratic candidate this presidential election, because I can't decide if Sen. McCain is Ford with anger management issues or Dole for the new millennium.
I can't decide if Sen. McCain is Ford with anger management issues or Dole for the new millennium.
Can't use it here, because, well, you already did.
But some day, some where.... :-)
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what a disingenuous troll. posing as some mananimous voice. give me a break. this diary is pure crap. it's not posing any relevant issue discussion - just begging pathetically for the mob mentality to take charge here at MyDD. THAT is not a recipe for continuing the relative egality of this site.
You should be trolled for just throwing accusations like that at this diary with no reasoned justification. But let your words stand. They condemn themselves.
On a more productive note, I fail to see that MYDD shows any 'egality'. If it represented the full democratic party spectrum, it wouldn't have nearly 90 per cent of the rec list not only PRO Hillary (this I can understand) but destructively anti Obama.
If you hadn't noticed, he's the front runner at the moment. And whatever position he's in, it's by no means egality to use Rovian and Republican smears against any Democratic Candidate.
I'd say the same if the old smears were being used against the Clintons. That's egality.
The poster is right, you are the one of the last people on this site with credibility. Changing your tone now is hardly going to help Clinton's supporters move to Obama. Posters like yourself would be of more use being silent if you would like him to win.
swiss---it should be clear from anything that I have written here that I am not in favor of mob mentality. I am really into getting into it with Clinton supporters who are reasonable. My diary was a reaction to the pathetic state of the rec list this morning when I logged on. it was all reactionary bullshit.
trolled for politely pointing out why I thought Hillary was a better candidate; but I'll tell you, that makes me an 'Obama Hater' to many posters over there.
This diary is already insulting to HRC and her supporters, accusing her/them/us of recycling Republican talking points, and hurting our chances in the general election.
I beg to disagree, particularly with the implied subtext that the nomination is already won, and belongs to Obama, in any case.
The presumption of victory, the creation of a victory narrative, is self defeating, particularly when it comes to re-uniting the party, which is going to take all the King's horses and all of his men. And can any in the Obama camp tell me with a straight face that his supporters do not embrace that victory narrative?
Me, I hold with the wisdom Yogi Berra: 'A ballgame ain't over 'til it's over.' In the meantime, I came here to escape the Kos Kewl Kidz, and I'm usually ready to invite to go back home, unless they are willing to discuss things calmly here, which sometimes is, but often is not the case.
Listening to Hannity the other day, I could have sworn I was reading MYDD. The same arguments on his show against Obama that I read here. So yes, a valid point that many HRC are using Right Wing talking points.
something of what was said. I will never defend Hannity (stupid to evil ratio about 20/80, IMO), but there is a difference between making a deal out of the 'bitter' comments, and dredging (drudging) up and recycling anti-Hillary talking points from the '90's when she was under baseless attack (remember?) by Independent Council Ken Starr, and the Senate Whitewater commitee, under then-senator Alphonse D'amato.
The last straw at DKos for me was a front page story hinting about what might still surface from the Clinton scandals (so-called) of the last century. I wrote a comment asking "Why replay the the Clinton scandals?", and the reply was in effect: "Who mentioned the scandals?" Well...whom to believe -- you or my lyin' eyes?
Sorry to it took a while to reply...
But, the gripes Hannity stated were... He is all words. The Wright controversy makes him not trustworthy and an America hater (haven't really seen that part here, though). He is out of touch with middle class Americans (please, a simple look at his biography will clearly show this is not the case. Public school educated, just finished paying his student loans, couldn't afford a taxi unitl recently, etc.). He has little elected experience (though it is just as much as HRC considering his time in the state government). We don't know the real Obama (though he was written two books about his life and he is very open). Obviously Michelle hates America, as she has never been proud of America until this moment.
That was what I heard in the five minutes or so I listened before I went blech!
I would link various comments from HRC supporters that are along the same lines, but I honestly don't think I need to. But, if it is insisted, I will.
Hannity goes much further than the Clinton campaign -- the interesting thing here is that --although I don't like Wright for a number of unrelated reasons -- his service as a volunteer combat medic makes him a better American than 99% of Rethugs in this country.
I think he is a loose cannon however, and should be made to swallow his tongue for statements to the effect that AIDS/HIV was created by the US government as a genocidal plot against black people. This is pure hooey, as I well know (Ph. D. in Biochemistry, sorry to to have to pull rank). As far as genocide goes, (I am also half of a mixed race marriage) I think it is fair that the mass incarceration of young Aframericans -- which is genocidal policy, IMO -- was in fact the un-stated goal of the Ray-gun justice department and its War on Drugs, so I don't absolve the government of those tendencies.
But I don't see that Clinton has played the Wright-leaning anti-American campaign angle anywhere approaching Hannity's hateful level.
On the other hand, unfortunately, over at Dkos, we now have Markos endorsing statements in the comment threads to the effect that Hillary is not really a Democrat.
I have voted Dem in every presidential election since McGovern, but if Obama wins the nomination, it is going to take some effort to bring me back into the fold. I wouldn't vote McCain for dogcatcher, but I might sit out 2008, even though it will cost me a lot of skin at home. Plus, without seating MI and FL, I think the Dems are shooting themselves, not in foot, but through the vitals -- not heart maybe, but surely liver and spleen.
Pot...meet kettle.
Thanks for the insult; I appreciate it. Seems to be par for the course for people of your caliber; like the people who mojo-rated your comment.
it is to trash HRC, that is plain from the diary. Now if you all have a change of heart and decide to let the voters decide, and stop your nonsense bashing and hate, and actually focus on McCain, that would be one thing.
But you obamatrons have not proven your muster there. Great lines against HRC, great lies about her service, great lines supporting Obama's attack on democrats, but nothing against McCain
So if you get your rocks off bashing HRC, go where you have that support. Otherwise stop whining and put up something of substance here.
Actually as a front pager over here I notice that there are groups of people who troll through MyDD and ritualistically recommend the diaries that favor their candidate.
So that said, imho anyone supporting future president Obama, should go for quality over quantity.
Eventually everyone will figure out there are fluffers out there and the candidate who felt like they needed them will be the one that ultimately pays for it in the long run.
One thing I like about being in the Obama camp is that typically the obama supporters that you meet know precisely how to sift out these posts from the other ones.
Just focus on writing a good post, that has good substance and research. Don't worry about how it recommends, it will recommend fine if its good enough.
Fair enough. Not trying to fluff anything, though, just trying to distill and make clear the most basic points of what should be a non story. Sorry if there was not enough content for your liking but I am just so sick of the overall vibe of this website right now and want to do my part.
This is the most comical response I have read to date. Who is bashing who right now? Clinton didn't need to pounce of statements that are entirely true and make a "controversy" out of them.
If you write a diary not trashing Obama at MYDD that's somehow the equivalent of trashing Hillary.
You mean as in "I hope I can get health care with Obama" as opposed to "I know I will get health care with Clinton" ?
Yeah, that's the way to go.
Good luck with that when she garnishes your wages.
You mean as opposed to fining you when you come to the hospital when you are sick and haven't bought into the plan, as Obama says he will do?
Seems to me that limiting payments to 10% or less of your income, taken out on a regular basis as SS is, is much easier to take. That way when you do have to get treatment, as everyone does eventually unless they die very suddenly, you don't have to worry about the cost right then.
