MyDD must change its tone


I am so disheartened by the state of this blog right now. We have an amazingly strong candidate preparing to win the Democratic Nomination, a dynamic, forward thinking leader who is bringing untold thousands of new Democratic voters into the process and day after day we are treated to featured diaries tearing him down in a base and unpleasant way. It is obviously one thing to pick a horse in the race and fair enough to do so, but when will enough be enough. At this point if Hillary wins the nomination it will come through means so controversial that it will tear the party apart. Please, I am begging you guys in leadership on this blog, change the tone of this blog. Make it more respectful towards Obama and towards the process overall. Make it a place where people can discuss the ins and outs of how to get a democrat elected in November, not a place where we needlessly weaken our almost certain general election candidate. Anyone who agrees please respond and forward and if you don't agree let me know (try to be respectful--I know that is a stretch right now). LEts get it together people!!!!



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Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 3)

It's still a race, and we still live in a democracy with free speech.  I understand wanting the Democrat to win, but we don't have a definitive Democrat yet.  Besides, it's not like MyDD is reflective of the entire party - I assure you, it's not.

Besides, wouldn't forcefully changing the tone be borderline censorship?


by ejintx on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 12:52:05 PM EST

Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

I am in no way suggesting that the mods shouldn't continue to write diaries that are critical of Obama but maybe a little balance is in order. I mean today I think this blog just looks foolish to have MO bash-piece on the front when our GE opponent is sitting very uncomfortably in the spotlight. I mean how many times have I come here after a big Obama win to see something on the front page that directly apes Howard Wolfson's talking points? And I do think that the hostility of the mods towards Obama is leading to some of the extreme hostility you are seeing among the commenters. There is something out of balance at this blog right now and think the change can only come from the top. At a certain point they are going to have to put their HRC hats aside and make this a Democratic blog again.


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 12:59:19 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 1)

Listen to yourself.  You sound like a Freeper.

Comments like this are exactly what this diarist seeks to cast a sanitizing light on.


by goodnbad on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:19:46 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

yep


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:27:33 PM EST
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What a tool you are! (2.00 / 3)

Your diary is ridiculously transparent. You want myDD to be just like the dailyobama - The Clinton bashing and Clinton hating "tone" going on there 24/7 is just fine and dandy with you big orange lunatics. But somehow it's just not enough for you pod people. You want to poison every website in existence with your "Obama Messiah, Hillary is the devil" Kool-Aid. So, you pretend you're somehow "offended" or "appalled" and that the "tone" here is objectionable. Bwaaaaaaah!

Guess what..there actually are people who DON'T LIKE the arrogant, phony, snake-oil salesman who calls himself a "uniter."

So, myDD is NOT going to become "myObama" for the simple reason that the people here ARE NOT STUPID. And, it is not going to morph into dailyObama because your "delicate sensibilities" can't handle criticism or DISLIKE of your saint barack. Some people see right through him - and what we see is NOT PRETTY. We see right through you, too - not difficult - and definitely not pretty either.

Like I said, what a tool! And a not very bright tool at that - what a surprise - an obamabot who's not smart!


by Firefly4625 on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:03:34 PM EST
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Re: What a tool you are! (none / 0)

Word!


it's Your Time America...take action today and make a better country; let Hillary fight for you!
by freespeechnow on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:10:31 PM EST
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Re: What a tool you are! (none / 0)

I have never posted at DKos. I don't want MyDD to be like any other site on the web. But I do want it to be an intelligent site full of people making well reasoned arguments in favor of their candidates. I have now said this three times in this thread--I personally will try to be as critical of stupidly pro-Obama messages ON THIS BOARD as I try to be the other way. I don't think anyone is a saint or that my preferred candidate is the only one who could win in November. I think he is the best choice we have and I think this site should be a place where we can talk about getting a Democrat into the white house instead of giving the other side talking points.

Thanks though for your use of the word "tool". I am sure you meant it in the nicest possible way.


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:23:20 PM EST
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Re: What a tool you are! (none / 0)

What's it like to be as this dumb, can you chew your own food or do you use a blender? Seriously, the guy makeas a plea for civility and you answer like a jackass.


by Socraticsilence on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:29:06 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 2)

Big whoop.  Before her lil hubbie came along she was ashamed of her country?  Then she has the nerve to share this publicly.  And you have a problem with us?  Priorities, dude.  If you want this guy to be the nominee you need to recognize when someone has stepped in the dog doo-doo.  MO set the right-wingers ablaze, not anyone here.  So go talk to MO.


On the train thanks to HRC...
by BRockNYC on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:36:23 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

saying that you are proud for the first time is not the same as saying you are ashamed. This is a big leap here. but yes, it was MO who said what she said and she will spend some more time no doubt explaining what she meant. But do you really think that this is more important than what is going on with McCain right now? Does it deserve to lead the front page of the blog?


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:41:03 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 1)

Honestly?  I couldn't care less what is going on with McCain right now.  My main priority is making sure crazed independents and manipulative Republicans don't choose the Democratic nominee.  

And I don't think it is a big leap to assume she has been ashamed before her lil hubbie came along.  The both of them strike me as snotty, arrogant gasbags who think he is "The One".


On the train thanks to HRC...
by BRockNYC on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:45:47 PM EST
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You think this is "hostility?" (2.00 / 2)

Wait until after he wins the nomination.  You'll long for these days.


by lombard on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:20:39 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

She is a black woman and judging by her age, her parents probably went through enough slights in life to not feel as proud of her country as we would want. Do not forget that many Americans who have done things as bad as the Al Quaeaa did on 9-11 are still alive and well in this country. This country owes a big debt to black population for not doing a Mossad and rightfully hunting down every racist who took part or facilitated the many crimes against blacks until the 60s.

Having said, it is very dumb of her to say that at this time.


by Pravin on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:41:37 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 2)

Please stop making excuses for these people.  As a Black man I can tell you it doesn't take much for me to be proud of my country.  I watch "The Patriot" and feel pride.  So, it is an insult to somehow justify a lack of American pride just because someone is African-American.

She is a bitter person.  She meant what she said.  She should be ashamed of herself.


On the train thanks to HRC...
by BRockNYC on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:48:49 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

people who took part in brutals beatings, lynchings, murders and the people who were on the jury and let them go, and cops who looked the other way. yes, why are they any better than Al Queda. Is your view so insulated you view 9-11 as the only big malignant entity in US History?


by Pravin on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:10:43 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

wherewere you kosssack when the cult slandered kerry, cuomo and bill clinton as racists.

show me that you protested that and i will never write another mean word about barry ever.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:11:03 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

Clinton, maybe not but how do you excuse Cumo's shuck and Jive remark, I mean you juped on Obama for using periodically right?


by Socraticsilence on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:30:41 PM EST
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I did a similar diary two weeks ago... (none / 0)

and got trolled all over the place...by Obama supporters.


by Shazone on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:09:50 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 4)

Obama hasn't even come close to securing the needed delegates to win the nomination.

and we are supposed to shut up and fall in line.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 12:58:43 PM EST

Re: MyDD must change its tone (1.66 / 3)

hillary is down 150+ elected delegates... is she hoping the party bosses will save her ass at the nomination?


by soros on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:01:57 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton has taken over the lead in the gallup daily tracking poll and you think because she is down 150 pledged delegates the campaign is over.

If 46% of Dems are still backing her , no way is she going to quit unless she thinks she can't make it.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/104488/Gallup -Daily-Tracking-Election-2008.aspx


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:26:09 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

So what?  She had the lead FOREVER and it didn't bring her wins then.


by Cycloptichorn on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:29:01 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

Ok so why don't you all hold your horses and see what Texas and ohio brings.

Then let the other states have their say.

She still has a ton of support out there and obama hasn't been able to take that away even with all his wins , so I know there is a rush to kind of get her out of the way .

but with all that support she is not going anywhere until she thinks she can't win.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:32:47 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

Oh, I AM holding my horses.  

From a mathematical point of view, it is very difficult to see Clinton winning.  She would have to beat Obama overwhelmingly from here on out, and it's not likely that this will happen.

From a money angle, she's not doing well.  Massively out-raised by the opponent and in debt at the end of January.  She's probably raised a little more in Feb., but not enough to pay the debt off, run TV commercials, AND launch a big and pervasive ground game.  It isn't a good sign for her.


by Cycloptichorn on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:48:12 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 1)

I am not saying anyone should "shut up and fall in line" but there is a difference between that and attacking Obama relentlessly no matter the circumstances and on a day when McCain should be our focus. Priorities is what I am talking about. I think there is a way to promote HRC without being so negative towards Obama that an unhealable rift is created. Just saying...


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:25:10 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 2)

Screw that.  Screw him.  We should attack him relentlessly until the nomination is settled.  I'm so sick of him getting a free ride.


On the train thanks to HRC...
by BRockNYC on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:38:25 PM EST
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Wow... (none / 0)

Lets relentlessly attack the person that is quite likely to lead our party in November, providing maximal ammo to our real opponents and sowing dissension and pessimism in a season when we are blowing the doors off the repubs with our enthusiasm. Lets destroy everything to get our candidate into the nomination. Is this really the way people want it to go down?


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:43:43 PM EST
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Re: Wow... (2.00 / 1)

With all due respect, there's been plenty of bashing from his end too with little regard for the enormous percentage of votes Hillary has been getting.  The party is in real jeopardy of being torn apart with Obama being a big part of that.  

Have you posted this same diary at DKos asking them to chill out about Hillary and focus on McCain?


by newhorizon on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:58:47 PM EST
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Re: Wow... (none / 0)

they are focusing on mccain. check out their front page. but no I haven't posted this there because I don't post there. I started posting here because I thought it was more in line with my politics and way of talking about politics. I will say the same thing I said elsewhere in this thread though--I will try to critique needlessly harsh pro-Obama commentary too.


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:05:04 PM EST
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Re: Wow... (2.00 / 1)

Dude, it isn't over yet.  I'm not ready to crown him.  Until then, all is fair in love and politics.  Again, my job now is to rescue my party from drunk college kids and sneaky Republicans.


On the train thanks to HRC...
by BRockNYC on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:36:47 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 2)

You must understand that I don't like him. I don't respect him. I don't think he is competent enough to be CIC. I think that even his words are not his own. I think that he is a sleazy pol who had a Chicago slumlord help him buy his house to the tune of half a million, at least. If he is willing to take this money personally he has no ethics. I have no idea what he might do to the country if elected - and I don't think he knows, either. We know that Hillary would work all day every day for the people to better their lives.
Now this is my opinion. You are welcome to have your own opinions, but don't slag mine.
by georgiast on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:54:35 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

 I wouldn't slag anyone else's opinion but I would slag the way that they express it. Slumlord, sleazy, incompetent---these are GOP talking points and a sorry excuse for a defense of your preferred candidate.


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:07:08 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (1.00 / 0)

Your free to your opinion, I happen to think that Hillary would do anything to get a vote, hell I'm 100% sure she would invade Iran if she thought that would lock up re-election in 2012, its not like its her ass on the line. Seriously, she would "work all day" yeah to get hers, her voting record pretty clearly reflects that she has no core values.


by Socraticsilence on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:33:43 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (1.50 / 4)

do you hear that giant sucking sound?

Thats the sound of mydd ad revenue headed south after Obama wins the nomination.


by soros on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 12:59:29 PM EST

Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 3)

Funny-- I was thinking it was the sound of dKos ad revenue heading south after Clinton wins the nomination.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:02:33 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 3)

by the way if you look the herd mentality and the obama worship you can move over to the kooky orange blog.

it has exactly what you need.

unbridled obama worship.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:00:20 PM EST

Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 1)

like


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:01:00 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 1)

I don't like any herd mentality. It is exactly what I am writing about. I agree that Dkos is to Obama what this place is to Hillary. I like to read well reasoned pro Hillary commentary and obviously there is lots of room for that. but the comments to this diary in particular just underscore my point. The level of vitriol is stunning. Worse than what I have seen leveled at McCain thus far. If Hillary ends up as the nominee I will support her whole-heartedly, but as I said the only way I can see that happening is through machinations of the party insiders and not through the voters and obviously that will be a problem.


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:30:59 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 4)

I can't believe any democrat is suggestiong the muzzling of others in their party simply because we don't support the same candidate.

Wow...that smacks of Bushies tactics.


by americanincanada on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:02:31 PM EST

Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 2)

michelle obama's divisive lack of patriotism poses a major liability for the Party.  obama should convene a press conference and apologize on her behalf.


by truthteller2007 on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:04:46 PM EST

Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

If you're going to make a comment that even Rush Limbaugh probably wouldn't have the gall to make, you might as well as least say ASS.


by zonk on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:13:35 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

Wow I never thought I'd hear something like this on My DD perhapses the democratic party has already fractured!


by anujtron on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:30:23 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

My god, I really hope you don't talk about misogyny hurting Hill, because seriously.


by Socraticsilence on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:37:48 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 4)

Respect is earned and not given and Obama has done nothing to earn my respect. HRC has but than I am alive today due to legislation both authored and sponsored by her and her husband.


by Iceblinkjm on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:07:18 PM EST

Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 4)

Obama told me he doesn't want my vote. When he put up an 'exgay' hatemonger to emcee some campaign events, I knew that was the end for me. And then he did it again with Kirbyjohn Caldwell. Probably the question should be: how can Obama heal the divide. After being called a racist, told that gay people don't matter, told that I must be more tolerant of people of faith, on and on; don't think it can happen. Obama has fractured the Democratic Party. And all the sermonettes like this diary are not helping.


by DaleA on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:18:31 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 2)

Bah. MyDD (or any other blog, for that matter) doesn't have to change squat. The primary isn't even over.

Things need to play out and hoping/wishing/demanding/begging that everyone get along, while nice sentiments, have absolutely no standing in the reality of tough primary fight.

This thing should be battled out until it's over, whenever that may come.


by Bob Johnson on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:10:54 PM EST

Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 1)

Agreed.

I'm pretty much at peace with where we, as a party and movement, and where we, as a nation are both at right now -- and where the trends say we are heading.

Obama has 11 straight wins -- from the far NE to the deep south to the Atlantic coast to the midwest to the Pacific coast.   The numbers are heading his way in both TX and OH.   We've got two weeks to close the gap entirely.

Obama's campaign has been nearly flawless in its execution.

None of Clinton's attacks are sticking - and based on the numbers for February, the smallest margin of victory being 17 points, it would appear the attacks are actually backfiring.   This bodes well for the summer and fall when the GOP will undoubtedly try to throw more of the same at Obama.

I'm not overconfidant - there's plenty of work to be done.  We need to close the deal.

But we've already see the worst the HRC camp can throw -- muslim, drug-dealer, rezko slumlord lover, secret Reagan humper -- there's nothing worse the GOP can throw at him save for outright physical violence.

Right now - I'm just enjoying the fact that we're seeing Obama barnstorm through states that don't usually get the major attention.

I mean.... it can only HELP Rick Noriega that Barack Obama is criss-crossing Texas to huge crowds.  It can only HELP our congressional candidates in Ohio to see him do the same.

Obama has a near bottomless reserve of cash... let Clinton continue forward as long as she wants.

I'm looking forward to seeing Indiana, North Carolina, Oregon, Kentucky, West Virginia, and the rest of America getting a taste of Barack Obama and the 50 state strategy.


by zonk on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:20:38 PM EST
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Re: Battles are good. MAD is bad (2.00 / 1)

C'mon, that kind of stuff comes from supporters in every camp. Part and parcel of a hard-fought primary.


by Bob Johnson on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:28:10 PM EST
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Re: Everyday I hear this stuff (2.00 / 1)

Go to Daily Kos.

Just depends on where you're sitting.


by Bob Johnson on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:48:51 PM EST
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Re: Everyday I hear this stuff (none / 0)

again the point is that this is not Daily Kos. I was hoping that the level of dialogue here was somewhat elevated from that. I was hoping that people could couch their criticisms in issues rather than bullshit. But maybe this not the place for it. I continue to say that the mods need to do a better job of steering the content and encouraging an elevated level of dialogue.


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:01:19 PM EST
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Re: This is not DKos (none / 0)

Relax. I'm just pointing out that zealous supporters of ALL candidates in a hotly-contested primary act similarly.


by Bob Johnson on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:12:11 PM EST
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There are plenty of places for Obama adulation (2.00 / 1)

Most of the left netroots, in fact.

Why do you think all the rest of us have congregated here?  And we are not happy with the primary process.


by lombard on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:16:58 PM EST

Re: Give me a break (2.00 / 0)

It's so amusing to me that you and others like you here on myDD are unable to see that you yourselves have become exactly that which you criticize about Obama supporters.

I laud your emotion and spirit for your candidate - but don't let it obscure your rationality.


by goodnbad on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:23:33 PM EST

I have been called... (none / 0)

a homophobe, a creep and a Clintoonista (whoops, who did that?) - and that's been just today.


by Shazone on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:24:10 PM EST
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Re: Give me a break (2.00 / 1)

How about twenty-four hours where you people make the case for Hillary Clinton without flinging poo at Obama, his wife, and his supporters?

I'm an Edwards supporter who drifted to Obama and came back here after a couple of months looking for positive arguments for Hillary Clinton, all I found was a lot shrieking and usually flat-out dishonest hatred: Obama is really a Republican! He's more conserative than McCain! He's a lightweight! He's a fraud! His wife hates America! He's anti-choice! His supporters are mean and cult-like!

I will vote for and financially support the Democratic nominee.

How many of the "non-cultists" of MyDD can and will say the same?


by BlueinColorado on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:25:19 PM EST

Re: Give me a break (none / 0)

Right on to this comment.


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:32:01 PM EST
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Re: Give me a break (none / 0)

You think you can tool us,  Obamanuts. Now you are talking about the Party and the importance of unity? (By the way, check out You Tube and what Larry Sinclair says about Obama. Turns out he is taking a Lie detector test and has a high priced lawyer. If he passes it; the sewerage is going to hit the fan and this time Axelrod doesn't have enough friends in the media to protect his candidate.)


by bJ Chicago on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:04:21 PM EST
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Re: Give me a break (none / 0)

I say the same thing at The Other Place that I say here. While I'm 60/40 Obama/Clinton, we have two good, centrist candidates whose records and platforms are very similar. For me, his approach to foreign policy trumps her health care plan, because she, I believe, can push her UHC plan through the Senate to his desk. And I believe he can do better against McCain (had Romney been the nominee, I think the GE would be a cakewalk for both), I trust you feel the opposite way.


by BlueinColorado on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:00:45 PM EST
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Re: Give me a break (none / 0)

fair enough. I will say that if I see pro-Obama people making the same kinds of lame, needlessly inflammatory comments I will comment negatively on them. My larger point is that the spitball war that this place has become starts from the top.


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:03:07 PM EST
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Re: Give me a break (none / 0)

do you want me to say that I won't do that? What can I say to have a reasonable discussion here?


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:16:18 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 0)

  1. Nothing is a lock yet.
  2. No one has to change their tone.
  3. This site leans pro-Hillary, but there are plenty of pro-Obama boards, DailyKos.com is the most prominent.

This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:28:37 PM EST

Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

I agree with everything you are saying from a strategic standpoint (nothing decided yet etc) but don't you think that the level of dialogue between supporters of candidates IN THE SAME PARTY is a bit over the top. I won't excuse people who take bad taste hits at Hillary any more than I will excuse the people who seem to relish tearing Obama up. I just think that the top down tone of this site has gotten unnecessarily nasty and partisan and creates the kind of nasty (and issue free) bitching we see here.


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:37:25 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

I think the dialogue is absolutely ridiculous.  Quite frankly, I'm tired of hearing the whiners(b/c that's what they are) on both sides saying they won't vote for the other democrat if they don't get their way.  They'd actually rather vote for McCain.  They bitched for 8 years about Bush and now they would rather vote in BushII than Obama or Hillary.  It's pathetic and unfortunately, not completely unexpected.

I think there are some nasty things said on this site and in its' diaries, but the same can be said of DailyKos.com which is a heavy pro-Obama site.  


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:59:40 PM EST
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This is not DKos (none / 0)

Well, duh.  What made you think I was confused?


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:09:37 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 1)

Yes Clinton is running as a democrat and so is Obama, but you wouldn't know it from reading the majority of the commentary here.


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:34:17 PM EST

Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

Folks... I tried this very tact in my diary earlier today.  

The HRC people aren't having it, but I am hearing from some of them that they'll be open to it after TX/OH.  

Given the fact that team Hillary needs to win by 30-40 points in BOTH to have a CHANCE at catching Obama, we reasonalbe, unity-seeking supporters of progressive politics need to be patient and let it play out.  

Let's see if she can hit the 30 point blowout margins and then make the call anew.

Until then...let's just LAY LOW, as much as it stinks to see people ripping on one another this way.


by a gunslinger on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:34:46 PM EST

Re: Um, politely.. go to hell (2.00 / 0)

So you think that the appropriate response to a-holes at DKos is to be an a-hole at myDD?

How about NOT BEING AN A-HOLE?

Again - you're becoming what you hate.


by goodnbad on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:41:38 PM EST

Re: Um, politely.. go to hell (none / 0)

Thanks for this response. This is exactly the point. Somebody has to step up and say this is not what we need to be doing at this point in the process. And the mods have a big responsibility in this.


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:45:01 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 1)

What is this Obama-evangelism-convert-an-unbeliver-da y?
I see a contingent of Obama Evangelists have arrived at Mydd to force the last remnants of Clinton holdouts to surrender. There can be no dissent in this new Obamocracy. Its either you're with us, or-we're-not-going-to-allow-you-to-be-ag ainst-us, school of persuasion. One Obama supporter on MYdd even suggested that if Clinton supporters did not vote for Obama and he lost, Hillary would be blamed. Gasp!

I'm a bit puzzled though, if Obama is converting all these new Independent and Republican voters, why the concern over a small minority of Clinton supporting holdouts who are still supporting their candidate, who is, as it happens, still in the race?  Could it be that cult-like movements don't thrive very well in an atmosphere of doubt, questioning, rigorous analysis, dissent and protest? You know, all the functioning elements of a robust, self-confident thriving democracy for which Mydd proudly stands.


by superetendar on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:18:02 PM EST

Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

If only there were robust, thriving analysis here...I am not trying to get people to drop their candidate or forcibly accept Obama. I am saying that this site has sunk so low into the anti-OBama gutter that it has no pretense of objectivity any more. I do want discussion and argument. I do want people thinking for themselves. I promise you I am not a herd-thinker. But calling the Obama campaign a cult is pretty lame and frankly unhelpful to the process (and ironically appears to be a form of the cultlike totalitarianism that you decry).


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:41:37 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

And why does having a father from another country prevent you from being from Chicago?  Do you think there is something wrong with Obama's father being from Kenya, or that it somehow makes him less American?        


Go back to Hussein Texas
by gobacktotexas on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:47:51 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (2.00 / 2)

The reason many of us left Kos is because of things like this diary. "You've got to get behind Obama" diaries make it sound like Kos and aren't helpful. Is there criticism here of Obama? Yes. Is there criticism of Hillary? Yes, but probably less than the daily obama.

There have been many reasonable Obama supporters here who I enjoyed debating with until lately it seems like even the "obamajesusmessiah" group has migrated here.

At least here people can post a dissenting opinion whether I agree with them or not.

It has been distressing to see Obama's campaign go against people who stood with us with the times were horrible like Paul Krugman, Larry Johnson, Joe Wilson and others that I can't seem to recall right now thrown in the dumpster.

And the front page calling out the problems with Michelle Obama's comments are something that I find helpful. I had my head in the sand in 2004 and won't do it again.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:23:14 PM EST

Re: MyDD must change its tone (1.00 / 1)

you really find a front page diary about what a candidates wife said helpful? And I don't think that the Obama camp went against Krugman. I think they defended themselves against his criticism (though I don't claim to be an expert on the history of that argument). And Joe Wilson endorsed Hillary but did the Obama camp go against him? not that I am aware of. Anyway, I am a reasonable Obama supporter, not a cult member or a fanatic. I am a 41 year old filmmaker, life long democrat, and generally thoughtful human being. I enjoy a good argument as much as the next guy. I just want balance somewhere and this site has been wildly unbalanced and needlessly negative.


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:45:36 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

Yes, the Obama campaign went after krugman. he has written about it. check his blog or his columns. Yes, joe wilson got trashed as a traitor. The whole movement thing has literally creeped me out to the point that I will home in Nov. I haven't missed an election in 20 years but with Obama's campaign throwing gays, and others under the bus constantly, there's no way I want to be a part of it. He can lose and his movement can lose big for all I care. And you know what? At one time the thought of not voting and possibly helping a Republican by doing such would have just killed me. But not any more.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 09:46:57 PM EST
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Re: MyDD must change its tone (none / 0)

You think you can tool us,  Obamanuts. Now you are talking about the Party and the importance of unity? (By the way, check out You Tube and what Larry Sinclair says about Obama. Turns out he is taking a Lie detector test and has a high priced lawyer. If he passes it; the sewerage is going to hit the fan and this time Axelrod doesn't have enough friends in the media to protect his candidate.)


by bJ Chicago on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:05:47 PM EST

all I can say... (none / 0)

...to all of the hatemongers here is that I hope dearly that if/when Obama is the nominee you can repurpose some of your vitriol for the deserving recipient, ie John McCain. I guess we are stuck in this hissy cycle until this settles but when it does I expect the mods to help lead us to a better level of dialogue about democratic politics. This is pretty sad right now.


by wasder on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:31:27 PM EST


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