What it all means

Last night conformed pretty closely to what both sides in this Democratic nominating battle expected to happen. It was a substantial but not overwhelming victory for Hillary Clinton in Pennsylvania.

The Clinton supporters use this as more evidence that Obama can't win the big swing states (conveniently forgetting the home of their own campaign headquarters Virginia, Wisconsin, Missouri etc). Obama supporters, invoking "the math" retort that last night was the last chance for her to dent his lead and she didn't win big enough (conveniently forgetting that a 10 point loss is not a win). In other words nothing has changed at all following 6 weeks of a campaign that seemed to last forever and revolved around a series of non-issues that sullied both candidates.

As someone who fervently hopes that Obama wins but who has voted twice for Hillary Clinton in the senate, I feel compelled to point out that whoever wins this nominating contest will win the presidency and we have only ourselves to blame if somehow we should blow it. The energy, activity and passion on the Democratic side so far outweighs the Republican side that we need only get out of our own way to trounce them in November.

But we really need to figure out how to wrap this nominating contest up in a way that doesn't fatally wound whoever wins. Last night's analysis was full of "negative campaigning worked for Clinton" statements that made me feel ill. The NYTimes editorial this morning is a good reminder that the party, and therefore the candidates, must be mindful of the message and image that they are putting out in front of the country in this moment when all eyes are on us.

We can argue about who did what first or who made the most incendiary statements about the other but the fact of the matter is it was an unpleasant, pointless, nasty battle in PA that didn't speak to the issues of the Pennsylvania electorate and therefore not something anyone should be proud of, win or lose.

I really hope that the message that the Clinton campaign takes out of this is not lets do more of the same in Indiana. At the same time I hope that the Obama campaign doesn't take the message that they need to fight back harder and nastier. I would like Obama to pivot towards the General Election for the most part and stop getting in the mud with Clinton. He needs to get back to doing what captivated the country in the first place and he will be OK. In other words lets hope as a party that the remainder of the campaign represents us better than PA did.

It looks like now Indiana is the line in the sand for the continuation of the contest. NC should deliver a win for Obama of considerably greater margin than PA, so a win in Indiana is absolutely a must for Clinton. This should be interesting, given that the Chicago media market gives Obama a platform to over come the inherent demographic advantages that Clinton enjoys in the rural parts of the state. But also, given the way this campaign has played out nobody should be surprised if this next line in the sand is deferred just the way all the others have been.

I have given money to the Obama campaign and done some blogging  in support of Barack. I will continue to do these things in the hopes that he gets the nomination. But more than anything I am just sick of this contest now, sick of seeing Democrats sliming each other and fighting amongst ourselves. We need our nominee and fast. I think Obama, given the chance to fully engage McCain rather than having to battle a two-pronged war, is easily the stronger candidate for our side. But if Clinton wins the nomination I will be here too, because I know how important this is. As I said earlier, there is too much momentum, energy and activity on the Democratic side to be denied because of infighting.

How many people can say they will support the nominee no matter what?



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"Virginia, Wisconsin, Missouri"? (none / 0)

whaaa?

How about the blue and swing states we actually need to win, PA, MI, FL, MA, NJ, .... ?

Look, PA was not ugly.  It was great.  Obama went negative first many many months ago.  Don't complain now about negative adds and spin, it is too late for that.  However do not tell me that PA as ugly and hurt anyone.  It was a very positive day, beautiful weather and a lot of people very happy to go to the polls and vote for their candidate.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 09:19:01 AM EST

popular vote now has Hillary ahead (none / 0)

At least the Obama folk should acknowledge that their candidate no longer has this inevitability around him. It makes people think as if they are being coerced.

He also needs to improve his healthcare plan so that it would cover sick people affordably. I know thats a LOT to ask of your corporate-addled brains but, HILLARY HAS DONE IT.


Universal healthcare IS a Democratic value
It's been defeated
Obama has the best $PIN that money can buy.
by architek on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 09:52:05 AM EST
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TeresaInDenial (2.00 / 1)


by dystopianfuturetoday on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:04:03 AM EST
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Re: What it all means (2.00 / 1)

Teresa--the NY Times, who endorsed Clinton, seems to disagree with you about the ugliness of PA. FL and MI didn't get to have primaries this time due to the impatience and lack of foresight of their state leaders. And Obama would win NJ and PA from McCain even if he grew a third eyeball mid campaign.

But yes, you are right that it was awesome that so many people voted and that the energy seems to be with the Dem side. That was the point of this diary.


by wasder on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 09:23:27 AM EST

Not sure you are right about NJ (none / 0)

I know a lot of folks here would would vote Clinton, not Obama.

I still say he will win the state, but NJ and CA will pose challenges for Obama but be layups for Clinton.

I will vote for either of them, but am pulling for Clinton.

We would be in better shape as a party if we followed the Republican tradition of staying with the front-runner (Clinton) and avoiding a system set up for a bloodbath like this.


by activatedbybush on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 09:31:04 AM EST
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Obama would not win NJ or CA.. (none / 0)

Hillary would..

Obama is damaged goods after the last few weeks, he is too coercive.


Universal healthcare IS a Democratic value
It's been defeated
Obama has the best $PIN that money can buy.
by architek on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 09:53:57 AM EST
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Re: Obama would not win NJ or CA.. (2.00 / 1)

I feel foolish for even responding to such a nonsensical statement, but a woodchuck would beat McCain in NJ and CA.


by wasder on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:06:02 AM EST
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Re: Obama would not win NJ or CA.. (none / 0)

I agree about CA but disagree about NJ. It all depends on the campaign but McCain is competitive in NJ in a way that no recent Republican candidate has been. If you can't see that you don't know much about NJ.  


by ottovbvs on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:23:54 AM EST
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Re: Obama would not win NJ or CA.. (none / 0)

I live in NYC and therefore read a good bit about politics in NJ. Nothing that I have read makes me feel like McCain is going to be competitive in NJ. The state republican party can't find a viable candidate to challenge the potentially vulnerable Lautenberg in the senate and I don't think they are going to be able to marshall a real challenge to OBama, especially with a Dem governor.


by wasder on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:17:45 AM EST
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Yup. (2.00 / 1)

I bitterly oppose Clinton in the primary, and I have severe misgivings about her fitness to be President, but if she's the nominee, she's got my vote and those of whomever I can drag to the polls. It's either the Democrat or John McCain. I choose the Democrat.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 09:33:49 AM EST

Re: What it all means (none / 0)

What last night demonstrated absolutely convincingly to anyone with an ounce of objectivity is that Obama is almost certain to lose in November. I don't say it's an absolute certainty because many of the points this diarist makes about Bush fatigue, voter unhappiness, etc etc are undoubtedly true but there's enough evidence out there from all the major states to show that he's not going to make it. You argue all day about why. About whether it's racism, Clinton poisoning the well, Obama's self inflicted wounds, take your pick but if he's the nominee I'm as certain as I can be based on the demographic voting patterns I've seen that he almost certainly is doomed. And believe me it pains me to say this, I'm a Hillary supporter and if he's the nominee I'm going to vote for him but I aint going to deny reality.


by ottovbvs on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:20:53 AM EST

Re: What it all means (none / 0)

Your assumption that Obama can't win the GE is based upon the theory that the blue collar union supporters that went to Clinton in the primary will vote for McCain in the General and I just don't see that happening on a massive scale. Will there be some, no doubt, but not enough to swing the scale to candidate who is promising four more years of the same.


by wasder on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:15:46 AM EST
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