Indymac and the Democratic Party

On Friday, July 11, The Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS) closed the $32 billion IndyMac Bank, headquartered in Pasadena, California, and transferred operations to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC).

My Mom, who is 88 years old, has a CD at Indymac Bank.  She lives off the interest. Thanks to the Democratic Party and Franklin Delano Roosevelt, my Mom didn't lose her money when the feds seized the  bank in the second largest federal takeover in US history.  I haven't told my Mom about the takeover. She has Alzheimer's. If you can't figure out how to find the bologna in the refrigerator I figure you can go without knowing you almost got wiped out financially.

I, on the otherhand, am a wreck. I got her into Indymac! For years they paid the highest CD rate around--if you opened it online. Whoohoo. I've even  got a little money stashed  there.

The woman I talked to at Indymac today--who works for the FDIC--said people have been weeping on the phone. They had more deposited there than the FDIC will insure. If you are above $100,000 that money is out the door.

I was speechless on Friday. When I could put two words back to back they were x-rated:

 Holy fu*king shit! What a fu*king disaster. Jesus H. Chist, Dad, you were right. I mean you were RIGHT!!!.

And then --even though he has been gone for 10 years-- I whispered:

Thanks.

It was my Dad when  I was 18 who drummed the FDIC into my head with tales of the Great Depression and how people were wiped out and jumped from skyscrapers. And then he would explain how FDR and the Democrats fixed it so if the banks failed again, no one would be wiped out.

But c'mon, banks fail?? I didn't think it could happen again. And I certainly flirted over the years with money ventures and institutions that were not FDIC insured. But my Dad really pounded something into my thick head. Why flirt with disaster when the Democratic Party has provided a safety net? Over and over, in countless different ways he brought the point home.

Why? For a little extra money--you could lose it all. Stick with the FDIC. You'll be fine. Don't color outside the lines, Ok?

I'd nod my head, bored and despairing of his interminable lectures. Now, I find out that  these lectures from my depression era papa shaped my behavior with Indymac.And so my Mom and I are among those who are lucky this Monday.

Many others are not.

I supported Hillary Clinton for the nomination for the Democratic Party, and a cast of sore losers--unlike the woman they profess to support who has been gracious in defeat-- cannot understand why I now support the Dem nominee, Barack Obama. It is so fuc*king simple. It ain't the head of the party that matters above all else. It is the Party!!!

And I am living proof right now today that the Party matters.  Ok. Sure. The dem leadership hasn't been exactly angelic in the primary struggle. But I will take this party and these "fu*k-ups" over the Republicans any day.

Remember, it was Herbert Hoover who fired on the vets when the marched on the White House demanding their pay. And this is the same party that has backed our Coward in Chief from showing the coffins of our soldiers as they come home in body bags from Iraq.

Hillary knows what is at stake in this election. In Chicago Saturday for the American Federation of Teachers conference, she said:

The Republicans should hold a press conference and apologize to the country and say they're just not going to run anyone for president.

I am newly grateful to the Democratic Party today. And I urge you to think of this Party and it's long and grand tradition of standing up for the rights and welfare of working people. The Republicans for the last eight years have done nothing but gut every protection they could get their hands on.

Isn't it time to put the Party back in power that brought us the FDIC.  



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Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 10)

Unfortunately we have too many reminders of just why this election is so damned important.  Thanks for your diary & I'm glad to hear that you & your mom are unscathed by the collapse.


A drink whenever Palin makes a well-argued, semantically intact, logical and lucid argument -- or WASILLA for short.
by January 20 on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 08:47:41 PM EST

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 14)

Thansk Jan 20. she may actually lose her interest from the time the FDIC seized the bank. But I won't know that until July 23 when I have my interview with the FDIC--and they tell me what is what.


by linfar on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 09:12:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

How conveniently you forget to mention that it was (1.00 / 2)

a democrat, Senator Schumer, who caused the run on the bank! He's just cost us over $8 billion! If he approached them in private instead of reading his letter of doom to the world, it could have been avoided and the bank would not have failed. I do not feel safe with either the dems or the reps - they are both corrupt to the bone. We are all in limbo with no safe party to turn to!


by suzieg on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 06:28:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: How conveniently you forget (2.00 / 3)

A poorly run bank (as Indy Mac was and is) won't collapse when a Senator writes a letter expressing doubts about their financial problems. Their stock price was in the tank over a week ago.
Perhaps, as Senator Schumer said, if the regulators had been doing their job, Indy Mac wouldn't have been buried neck deep in risky mortgage lending, like their parent company, Countrywide.
"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 06:48:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: How conveniently you forget (2.00 / 1)

I agree skohayes. See comment below


by linfar on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 10:34:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: How conveniently you forget (none / 0)

Was IndyMac poorly managed?  Absolutlely.  Was their stock price getting hit hard?  Yes, I myself was shorting them.  Did Schumer's letter do irreperable harm to them?  100%, absolutlely, without a doubt.

Schumer did not only write a letter of concern/warning to the oversight agency, he went public with it.  In a jittery, information/news hungry economic arena, that moves on the slightest bit of information, to put that out when IndyMac was NOT in danger of becoming insolvent or defaulting on their reserve notes or falling below their capital reserves (although they were closer to the warning line than was comfortable for most people) to put a letter of warning out in the public arena was not only irresponsible and reckless, but was akin to yelling fire in a movie theater when someone was smoking.

Schumer's letter sent shockwaves through the market and led to investors and customers of the bank to withdraw within 9 days over 1.1 BILLION dollars in assets and funds.  At the time of the Schumer letter they had on hand over 900 Million in cash, and a total of 1.5-9 Billion in cash assets.  They were required to have just over 800 million in assets.  Now anyone can do the math.  Once the run hit on day 5 IndyMac went into violation of FDIC regulations and FED regulations required to have on hand, and led to the actions that we have seen today.

All because of Chuck Schumer.

If you have anyone to blame, lay it at the feet of Schumer.  Now I love the guy, I really like him for his willingness to get into it with the Republicans.  But this was a HUGE mistake and to me more than a boneheaded gaffe.  This was out and out malicious action on his part and an investigation should be started with regards to his actions.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 11:05:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: How conveniently you forget (2.00 / 1)

Yep..deregulation had NOTHING to do with it.

And of course THIS had nothing to do with it..
(you know YOUR guy from Texas)

http://banking.senate.gov/conf/confrpt.h tm

http://www.villagevoice.com/2002-01-15/n ews/phil-gramm-s-enron-favor/


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:47:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: How conveniently you forget (none / 0)

Of course de-regulation had something to do with it.  I was and have been one of the most outspoken critics of the repealing of the Glass-Steagal Act, which by the way was done under President Clinton (and pushed all the way by a Republican Congress) as well as MFN for China who is now continuing to poison and maim our children.

Bush really isn't smart enough to do this, but is smart enough to allow other Republicans to push through white-collar robbery and theft.  And just because Gramm's from Texas, don't presuppose yourself that 1.) I voted for him, 2.) I agree with him, 3.)I endorse him...or we would all be in a world of hurt due to the fact that at least one of the thief's in power now have come from most of our states.

Both Hutchinson and Gramm have done more harm to our financial and defense systems than I can reference to since the Civil War.

Regardless of those stupid inept partisan moves from the Republicans.  Schumer's actions were w/out a doubt absolutely wrong and caused a run and the demise of a financial institution, affecting hundred of thousands of stock holders, consumers and customers.  He should be sanctioned for his actions.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 04:37:01 PM EST
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Re: How conveniently (2.00 / 2)

My own opinion is Schumer is getting a bad rap on this. He issued a warning. Big Deal. How many warnings have been issued over the years about this one and that one--and major corps too? In this case he was right. I think Schumer is to be commended, not castigated for telling the public the truth.


by linfar on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 10:33:26 AM EST
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Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 11)

Yet another reason to work for a Democratic Whitehouse and Congress.

Rec'd.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 08:50:12 PM EST

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 10)

Exactly! We need a dem controlled Congress and President to begin to undo the destruction the rethugs have done.


by linfar on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 09:10:56 PM EST
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Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 8)

Thanks for the read, Linfar.
I must say....I thoroughly enjoy rec'ing your diaries.  ;)

I, too, follow my father's advice (and my father-in-law's) when it comes to finances. Thus far, my wife and I have been VERY lucky...both by getting out JUST IN TIME prior to the Tech Crash...and by getting rid of a couple of rentals prior to Housing Crash. For now, and for the foreseeable future, we will holding our cards close and playing it safe.

I have a feeling we, as a nation, are in for a wild ride.


by Kysen on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 08:51:44 PM EST

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 4)

Hi Kysen--yeah-- I suspect you are right about the wild ride. I mean this is the second largest bank foreclosure in US history. It is a catastrophe!


by linfar on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 09:09:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 7)

Highly recc'd by a former adversary.


by Beren on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 08:52:20 PM EST

Linfar... (2.00 / 4)

far too few people reference the 'Bonus Army'. Indymac is indeed a reminder of why this election is so important. We need to stop the willy-nilly dismantling of the 'New Deal' and 'Great Society'programs.
Ida B. The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.-Mark Twain
by Ida B on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 09:04:33 PM EST

Re: Linfar... (2.00 / 5)

Hi Ida, Yes. We do. And my Dad taught me all about the bonus Army. Always nice to hear from you :)


by linfar on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 09:06:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 4)

Wow. Great diary Linfar.  The US mortgage crisis has now swept across the Atlantic and the liquidity problems are hitting banks hard. We live in a global financial market, and everyone is watching this election now for some old fashioned US leadership

And thanks for being a great leader of Hillary supporters. The democratic party really needs people like you. Obama too.


The Moose is Loose!
by duende on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 09:05:41 PM EST

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 6)

Hi duende, I am telling you this crises smacked me up side the head and I got a real taste of what is important in this election. Always good to hear from you :)


by linfar on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 09:07:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

John McCain=New Herbert Hoover (2.00 / 5)

Thanks for reminding me, linfar! :-)


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 09:10:55 PM EST

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 5)

I needed that reminder--so happy to pass it along :)


by linfar on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 09:12:39 PM EST

Will Obama stand up for FDIC? (none / 0)

I really like how your diaries educate us about history.

Please recall we defeated the privatization of Social Security in Bush's second term with an engaged citizenry organizing through the Internet, and a Congress held accountable to that citizenry.

I guess with McCain I know where he stands, but with Obama there is no way to prepare. I cannot discern what his principles are. He's supported many public-private partnerships in the past, which funneled taxpayer dollars into private industry. That type of thing sounds nice, but can be worse than no program at all.


by catfish2 on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:00:57 PM EST

Re: Will Obama stand up for FDIC? (none / 0)

Buzz kill...


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:02:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Will Obama stand up for FDIC? (2.00 / 4)

ah, catfish. this diary is about the party and what it has and does stand for. Even if you don't like Obama or he worries you, we are voting for the party's nominee. Two words there. And I think the first one is more important than the second.


by linfar on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:25:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Is this snark? (2.00 / 3)


I guess with McCain I know where he stands

So do we. He stands with Bush. If you can call being lobotomized and reprogrammed with neocon swill "standing".

This really is a serious question. Do you really believe that Obama's comparatively mild political maneuvering even compares to McCain's mind swap?


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:00:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

catfish! (2.00 / 3)

did you read the diary?  Its not about one person- its about the strength of this party and the progress that we are going to need to make in a very short period of time come January, 09.

Please, read the diary again.

Excellent post linfar-


by linc on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:37:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes I did. (2.00 / 1)

But the party of FDR's days has decided to throw out the working class in favor of the guy with the donor list, the young, healthy, wealthy, and African Americans. I thought it was the party who stood up for people's rights.

So you can understand why I'm skeptical of who THAT party decides to nominate. How you all remain so lockstep loyal to the party that has so clearly changed amazes me. I admire/envy your steadfast loyalty.


by catfish2 on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:58:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yes I did. (none / 0)

But the party of FDR's days has decided to throw out the working class in favor of the guy with the donor list, the young, healthy, wealthy, and African Americans.

These are as old and stale talking points as I've ever seen.


Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!
by spacemanspiff on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:05:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You ... (none / 0)

Catfish2 have left me almost speechless. You do realize that one can working-class and black or young, healthy, black and working-class. All of the possible permutations can be people who belong to a party who care about people. In fact, the New Deal guy,FDR was stoopid wealthy and his patrician wife was active in supporting social causes around race class and gender.
Ida B. The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.-Mark Twain
by Ida B on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:29:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Duh! (none / 0)

And the Republicans were the party that freed the slaves. They were the party that blacks voted for. People change, parties change.


by catfish2 on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 03:42:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Duh! (2.00 / 2)

Well, then what in G-ds name is your point. Oh wait,your point is you dont like Obama.
Ida B. The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.-Mark Twain
by Ida B on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 07:30:54 AM EST
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Re: Yes I did. (2.00 / 1)

Catfish--I think the party is keeping pace with the times and expanding. The Democratic Party has Always included lots of constituencies with different and often competing agendas. You seem to forget that Hillary is part of this party. And so are many new and wonderful dems. I think Schweitzer in Montana is an incredible addition. And you are a loyal dem, too. That's is why you are fighting so hard to keep this party the way you want it.


by linfar on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 10:43:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: catfish! (none / 0)

thanks Always goog to hear from you, mydd's Montana linc


by linfar on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 10:37:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

He's shown signs in the past that he's open to (none / 0)

private accounts!


by suzieg on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 06:29:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

That disturbs me, too (none / 0)

and I hope Obama realizes no candidate is greater or more powerful than the Democratic party and the ideals it stands for.

I'm not so sure he understands that.


by Betsy McCall on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 09:31:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 3)

Awesome diary...thanks linfar...


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:01:19 PM EST

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 2)

hi hootie, thanks for stopping by.


by linfar on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:26:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

A warning for WaMu & Nat'l City depositors... (2.00 / 5)

...I'm certainly not an advocate of saying the sky's falling--except at times when it truly is--but if you have money in either of these institutions, I would suggest looking closely at your situation (i.e.: any accounts over $100,000, etc.).

By the way, if you have JOINT accounts, each of the people within a joint account are insured for $100,000, so there is a bit of a workaround for these FDIC rules now, although you should check these matters out with a legal professional, first (because I certainly am not one).

And, Linfar, it's usually awesome reading your diaries, except when I see something like this hitting so close to home and causing you so much unnecessary stress. But, thank god, you missed the bullet on this one, huh?

Yes, it's historically been the Dems that have pulled us out of financial hard times in the past century...and, hopefully, that trend will continue come January 20th. There's something to be said about hope saving the day. And, even the "professionals" acknowledge it is emotion, perception, rumor and news that drives the market...and we all know how biased those last couple of drivers are, now don't we? So, here's to  advancing some positive emotions and perceptions with the election of Barack Obama this November!

We have to start somewhere more positive than the place we're in now, right?


by bobswern on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:34:44 PM EST

Re: A warning for WaMu (2.00 / 3)

Hey bob, I truly appreciate your concern. A bullet was dodged for sure. And I appreciate the headsup about the others. We are in extremely muddy waters here. I also find this funny. I think you are usually looking at the more scarey side of things and here I am doing it for you :)


by linfar on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:43:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We are living in VERY scary times. n/t (2.00 / 1)


by bobswern on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:54:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A warning for WaMu & (2.00 / 1)

Yes, it's historically been the Dems that have pulled us out of financial hard times in the past century...and, hopefully, that trend will continue come January 20th.

I think what you mean to say is that it's the Republicans who've pulled us out of financial hard times thanks to the unstoppable power of the free market and cutting taxes!

Pay no attention to the government bailing out said free market yet again...all government intervention is evil and bad!


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 04:11:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

A "free market" isn't "free." (2.00 / 2)

Historically, it's the middle and lower classes that pay the true price--just as we are now--for the inevitable lack of regulation that the laissez faire philosophy so innocently and inherently endorses. Left to its own devices, time and time again, in virtually all societies, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

The truth here is the government should never have been in the housing finance business in the first place. Renter's assistance? Helping the poor and underprivileged? That's a different matter altogether, IMHO.

The government's entire foray into the housing finance sector was inevitably contorted into little more than welfare for the rich (i.e.: all that run the financial services sector within our society).

Yes, the road to hell was paved with good intentions, but it is the final destination that matters/mattered.


by bobswern on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 04:33:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (none / 0)

Very well written, linfar. I'll confess to not being aware it was FDR that brought us FDIC insurance. Rec'd with pleasure!


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:53:35 PM EST

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (none / 0)

Hey, Sumo, my Dad would love it that I can  bring one of FDR and the Dem party's accomplishments to light.


by linfar on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 10:47:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 3)

awesome. awesome. awesome a million times over. but seriously, awesome diary.

thanks for the good read-


by alyssa chaos on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:18:13 PM EST

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 1)

awesome, awesome, awesome comment :)


by linfar on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 11:07:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Wow! I'm at the point where I'm just (2.00 / 2)

about ready to call our stock broker and tell her it's time to cash in, circle the wagons, and ride it out. The Bush reign of terror can't come quick enough. Thanks for the diary, linfar, and I agree about sore losers. If they can't see that it's the Party not the candidate, then they truly are foot stomping, take my marbles and go home, if I can't win - nobody will kinda people. Truly sad...BTW, I'm glad you and your Mom are OK.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:27:19 PM EST

Re: Wow! I'm at the point where I'm just (2.00 / 2)

thanks for the well wishes Rumarhazzit. I saw on Drudge yesterday that just like the depression people were camped out in front of Indymac yesterday to withdraw their money.


by linfar on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 10:49:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 3)

Best writer on this site hands down. You are very talented linfar and your diaries are a joy. Thank you for writing such an excellent piece.

Rec'd.


Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!
by spacemanspiff on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:43:55 PM EST

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 1)

space--It is such a pleasure to receive feedback like this. thanks a lot.


by linfar on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 10:52:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 1)

Wonderful diary, lin!  You are awesome.

Good luck with the FDIC.  Don't forget to wear your flame retardant pantsuit at your meeting.

I hope things are going well with your mother.


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:51:51 PM EST

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 1)

Hi drew, it is a phone meeting and I think it is basically to tell me whether or not she will get her interest. I am trying to figure out if I should get her money out asap--or just relax now that the banker is in fact the feds.


by linfar on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 10:54:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 2)

Thank for your post Linfar. I am sad to see people so impacted by these problems, and really appreciate you sharing your experience.

When I was a teenager, after we returned to the states, my parents got jobs at a little school in northern North Dakota. I remember a bank failing in nearby Towner and the bank did not have FDIC. Quite a few people lost a lot of money. This was about the time we were studying the depression and the changes that FDR put into place in our government. That incident made an enormous impression on me and I could not understand why people would put money into a bank that didn't have FDIC.

I have never understood the republican love of deregulation. How can anyone not get the dangers of unrestrained capitalism? Anyone can understand this, but they need to study history. There are so many eerie similarities between now and the late 19th and early 20th centuries that I feel like a Cassandra half the time (the other half I feel like chicken little). This goes beyond economics, although that would be enough, but when we seem to be drifting toward another war that seems about profit, I just want to run screaming at the fools that got us into this.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:02:17 AM EST

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (none / 0)

thanks hollede, always glad to hear from theee.


by linfar on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 11:08:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Schumer has to bear some blame here..... (none / 0)

Chuck Schumer's remarks singling out Indy Mac were despicable. Someone with his background in finance--and ties to Wall Street--had to know that his comments would help cause a run on the bank.


by BJJ Fighter on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 01:12:56 AM EST

Re: Schumer has to bear some blame here..... (2.00 / 2)

This must be the new Right wing talking point.
 OMG, this bank failed because Schumer wrote a stern letter! LOL!!
"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 06:52:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

No, the bank failed because of bad loans (none / 0)

and incompetent regulators. But anyone taking Econ 101-102 knows that one doesn't make public statements "naming names" when it comes to vulnerable banks.


by BJJ Fighter on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 09:45:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No, the bank failed because of bad loans (2.00 / 2)

Their stock price was 67 cents a week ago, before Schumer wrote that letter.
It was painfully obvious what was about to happen, especially since the bank was still selling subprime loans as recently as 4 months ago.

"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 04:43:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No, the bank failed because of bad loans (2.00 / 1)

jeeze, even I didn't know that!! I also didn't kinow until the disaster that they were opwned by countrywide.


by linfar on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 04:51:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Schumer has to bear some blame here..... (2.00 / 1)

BJJ--I just don't buy this 'shoot the messenger' rap on Schumer.


by linfar on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 10:55:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Schumer has to bear some blame here..... (none / 0)

Well, there's the rub:  Schumer was a big Hillary supporter, so he's fair game.

Amazing the power that some folks think others have to move markets.  His letter didn't do it.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 07:02:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 1)

Thanks Linfar. So glad you and your mom managed to come out reasonably unscathed here. What a mess!


by wasder on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 09:00:35 AM EST

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (none / 0)

Hey, wasder, thank you. I am breathing easier today. I was in a huge freakout there for a bit.


by linfar on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 10:56:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I agree with spacemanspiff, you are the best. (2.00 / 3)

Thanks for the reminder what we are fighting for.  If anyone thinks this is just a battle between McCain and Obama they are mistaken.  The republicans have talked openly of how they are trying to dismantle the New Deal for the past 8 years.  We need to stop them this year or they will also end Social Security and retirees will be standing in bread lines.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 09:20:55 AM EST

Re: I agree with spacemanspiff, you are the best. (none / 0)

You are right GFORD--no question. This election is major and we have to get the dems back in the White House.


by linfar on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 10:58:47 AM EST
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Wonderful diary! (none / 0)

We haven't always agreed here but this is an excellent diary and I commmend you.


Let's elect a Dem President!
by SpanishFly on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 09:43:56 AM EST

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (none / 0)

Thanks SF--did you know spanish fly used to be used like roofies are today--to rape women. Just curious??


by linfar on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 10:59:55 AM EST

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (none / 0)

Great post.


My Direct Democracy
by Jonathan Singer on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 11:58:40 AM EST

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (none / 0)

Thanks Jonathan.


by linfar on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:58:56 PM EST
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Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (none / 0)

McCain's economic adviser Phil(No Whiners)Gramm

http://banking.senate.gov/conf/confrpt.h tm


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:50:58 PM EST

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (none / 0)

Yikes! what else can yu say...


by linfar on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 01:00:24 PM EST

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (none / 0)

Glad that you and your Mom are not going to be too affected by this disaster.

Kudos to your Dad for his wisdom and for teaching you the value of the work of the Democartic party on the behalf of the average American.  Kudos to you for reminding all of us that experience and history can provide good lessons to us all.
We have to take back the White House,and provide a greater base of support in both houses of Congress.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 07:00:10 PM EST

Re: Indymac and the Democratic Party (2.00 / 1)

Diary recc'd.  My Credit Union had the bright idea a couple of years ago to pull out of the Credit Union equivalent of the FDIC and go with private insurance.  The stated reason was that the private insurers guaranteed up to $250,000 per depositor, more than the government.  I was leery of this change, and I am glad to say that they have now switched back to federally-backed insurance.  I wonder if some of the brighter bulbs in the C.U.'s management foresaw some of this shitstorm, or if it was just to obtain lower rates.  

Good diary.  People forget all that we owe to FDR.  Glad you are sticking with his party.


by Captain Bathrobe on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 07:04:19 PM EST

The Democratic Party has served this country well (none / 0)

and your post provides a great example.  The giants like FDR, Truman, LBJ and Clinton weren't afraid to stand up to the avalanche of criticism in their day for good public policy that built a secure future for everyone.

Each made mistakes and all were subjected to harsh, unrelenting criticism in their day. FDR was vilified for decades by many who thought Social Security,regulation of commerce and funding for infrastructure were wrong. But he and the others had great visions for the country and we're all still reaping the benefits.  You can't name one Republican, save Lincoln, who accomplished as much.

Its sad to see so many of todays Dems who've made the mistake of believing all the bad publicity the GOP has manufactured against the party.  There aren't many left who could measure up to the legacy of FDR, Truman and others.  They should be proud to call themselves Dems and never abandon the pary's core values.


by Betsy McCall on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 09:15:10 PM EST

Good reminder. (none / 0)

It also reminds us that republicans have actively worked to dismantle every New Deal progam they could over the last 60 years.  They've accomplished a lot in that regard, but we still have social security and we still have the FDIC.

On a bit of a tangent, I cannot, for the life of me, understand why anyone would keep more than $100,000 in cash in the bank.  Invest that money, put it into a mutual fund, commodities (both oil and gold have been phenomenal), or create an annuity, something.  It's not insured above that amount anyway, so why not put the excess to better use?

I'm a poor soul, and will probably never have anywhere close to $100,000 in cash in my lifetime, but those lucky enough to have that shouldn't waste that extra money in the bank.


by shalca on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 05:51:06 AM EST


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